User talk:Ryleegregory

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Past and present tense

Hi, I saw you put the complete Tyrion page to past tense. We discussed the use of present / past tense some time ago in this and this thread. The outcome was that the time before the beginning of the books should be in past tense and the events in the books in the present tense. It is not a perfect solution and there are pro and contras so if you have an opinion feel free to discuss it. Regards,Scafloc 17:18, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

Good to know. I can change it all to present. I just wanted it to be uniform. Some was present, some was past so I wasn't sure. Thanks for the tip, kissedbyfire 18:53, 10 August 2011 (CDT)

Relationships

Hi Ryleegregory. We were still (but not very active) working on the Tyrion page. As stated in the forum page the idea was to add the relationship paragraphs to get a better page. So it is more or less a try-out. While I agree that in the current state the content of those paragraphs is a repetition of the existing data I still want to give it a try if it can be improved. So how about two weeks more to try it out?

Also if we conclude that it is not going to work I would like to add that info on the forum page. Cheers,Scafloc 05:04, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

Edit: Sorry to bother you again but could you add your thoughts to the forum please? I'd like to use the forum as place where the policies are discussed and decided. I could add you opinion but I think it is better that you do it. That way it is clear that the policies are made by discussion of multiple users (and not my or anybody else's private opinion). I'll ask Pale Griffin as well. Scafloc 06:10, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I will make sure to do that. I checked the forum before, but was mainly looking for something specific to Tyrion so I didn't look under the POV Characters thread. Thanks for your patience, kissed.by.fire 22:34, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

Assassination Attempts and Failure

In the Tyrion article I removed "attempt" from "Bran's failed assassination attempt" because it seems to me that a "failed assassination" implies an attempt, making the word unnecessary and doesn't clarify anything. I'm not going to change it back since it's not a big deal, but since you changed it back again I figured it was worth explaining.

Hm. I don't remember changing that back because I thought it was a good edit. Sorry about that, maybe I was editing a previous edition of the page. I will change it back to your way and thanks for pointing that out I will be more careful in the future! kissed.by.fire 14:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


References Format

"I can't argue against you using it when making new references", actually you can ;) I am a really big stickler for consistency and would prefer us all working in the same way and I think that any issue is worth discussion and reaching consensus, which is also why I started the Manual of Style entry in the Community_portal. Also I believe I already explained my perspective on the issues and why I created the template but I cant find it at the moment, so in short:

the only difference between the two formats is that instead of:

<ref>[[Book name]], [[Chapter-Chapter number]], chapter name</ref>

You write:

{{Ref|Book name|Chapter number}}

With book name being it's initials, the Idea is to make the process of editing quicker simpler and more consistent.

  • So instead of trying to remember which letters are capitalized in the 'book name' and what is the exact syntax of the 'chapter link' of that book and searching the chapter name and then figuring out if we put a comma or hyphen, with or without spaces in between. with the template you you get the exact same result each and every time.
  • It's also more consistent with other citation templates we use {{References}} and {{Citation needed}}, and since today, it use the ID var automatically, thus reducing the refernce list spam, by grouping similar references. this way if you reference the same chapter 20 times it will only show once in the reference list and link all the locations to it.
  • Most importantly(for me) that I think that it makes the text far more readable while editing(which is why I only replace it in articles with large volume of text and in tyrion article to reduce that monstrous half page reference list at the bottom).

NM, I found my post from before, here is the example I used there for your consideration, you tell me which one looks more readable to you,
Without:
The mighty [[Ghis|Ghiscari Empire]] tried to stop the city's expansion, fighting five major wars that were each won by the Valyrians.<ref>[[A Storm of Swords]], [[A Storm of Swords-Chapter 27|Chapter 27]], Daenerys</ref> The last battle destroyed the Ghiscari Empire and its capital of Old Ghis five thousand years ago.<ref>[[A Storm of Swords]], [[A Storm of Swords-Chapter 23|Chapter 23]], Daenerys</ref> Over the years the Valyrians continued to conquer, building great cities and roadways that all led to Valyria. Many smaller nations, such as the [[Rhoynar]], fled west to avoid Valyrian expansion. Valyria took many slaves from its conquered lands and used them to mine deep into the earth. At the height of its power, the Freehold stretched over most of the eastern continent. Cities built by the Valyrian Freehold include [[Oros]], [[Mantarys]], [[Tyria]]{{citation needed}}, and all of the [[Free Cities]] except [[Braavos]].<ref>[[A Feast for Crows]], [[A Feast for Crows-Chapter 33|Chapter 33]], Jaime</ref> Of the fabled great cities, the topless towers are remembered for their great beauty.<Ref>[[A Game of Thrones]], [[A Game of Thrones-Chapter 34|Chapter 34]], Catelyn</ref>

or With:
The mighty [[Ghis|Ghiscari Empire]] tried to stop the city's expansion, fighting five major wars that were each won by the Valyrians.{{Ref|aSoS|27}}The last battle destroyed the Ghiscari Empire and its capital of Old Ghis five thousand years ago.{{Ref|aSoS|23}}Over the years the Valyrians continued to conquer, building great cities and roadways that all led to Valyria. Many smaller nations, such as the [[Rhoynar]], fled west to avoid Valyrian expansion. Valyria took many slaves from its conquered lands and used them to mine deep into the earth. At the height of its power, the Freehold stretched over most of the [[eastern continent]]. Cities built by the Valyrian Freehold include [[Oros]], [[Mantarys]], [[Tyria]]{{citation needed}}, and all of the [[Free Cities]] except [[Braavos]].{{Ref|aFoC|33}}Of the fabled great cities, the topless towers are remembered for their great beauty.{{Ref|aGoT|34}}

yeah in "short", really short... Mor 15:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)