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I was wonder if a new section should be added with the Info Reek II, gives us of several (minor houses) peoples in The Neck, "Fenn and Reed, Peat and Boggs, Cray and Quagg, Greengood and Blackmyre.
'House Stark' an Exiled house? If it was an exiled house the Boltons wouldnt try to marry into it, no? Even though the Iron throne put the boltons as the wardens of the North, maybe we should put them with stark as the ruling houses, with a little (contested) label? --Mor 15:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
House Hornwood's status
As no legitimate members of House Hornwood exists anymore, House Hornwood is extinct (in the male line). Though Larence Snow, a Hornwood bastard, is still alive, he won't count as a member of House Hornwood until he is legitimised. Should that never happen, House Hornwood will remain extinct. Does everybody agree with that? Or are there reasons as to why House Hornwood cannot be considered extinct?--Rhaenys_Targaryen 10:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I disagree, though he does not bare the name, he has the male blood whereas the male line is still alive. Don't you think that, in order to win the support of the north, Tommen will legitimize Larence?--DavosSeaworth3101 16:27, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- I can't say what Tommen will do. Personally, I doubt that Larence will be legitimized by the Baratheon/Lannister rule, as legitimizing without giving him a seat (no matter which seat), is useless, and giving a legitimized Larence Hornwood would mean that the Lannisters will need to take Hornwood from House Bolton. Don't forget that Ramsay can count Lord of Hornwood amongst his titles.
- Until Larence is legitimized, House Hornwood no longer exists. And when a house doesn't exist, it is extinc.
- Also wondering, why you placed an example file in the subtitle of the discussion? As it disrupted the layout of the page, I deleted it.--Rhaenys_Targaryen 17:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Roose will move into Winterfell to rule the North do you think Ramsay, is going to let up ALL of House Hornwoods lands? And what would Ramsay care about one houses' land when one day he'll rule the entire north? Plus giving to the fact House Bolton's lands are bigger than Hornwood's which do you think Ramsay would rather have?--DavosSeaworth3101 19:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- It's not about "what do I think", it's about "what is written". An example: we learn that House Blackfyre is extinct in the male line. That means, that even though there might be people around with some Blackfyre blood in them, the House is extinct. The same currently goes for House Hornwood.
- Currently, House Bolton has control over the lands around the Dreadfort, the lands around Winterfell, and the Hornwood lands. Once Roose or Ramsay have sons, those sons can inherit those lands, keeping all three firlmy in control of House Bolton.
- Look at it another way. Why would anyone legitimize Larence and give him the Hornwood lands? That will have no political advantage. In fact, it will mean giving the lands to someone who was raised in another castle, and thus has a loyalty to another house (in this case, House Glover). As the Glovers cannot be trusted upon completely, why entrust lands to their friend?
- In any case, what might happen in the future is not the issue here. The issue is the current state, and that is that there is no House Hornwood anymore.--Rhaenys_Targaryen 20:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree on the house being extinct. Fact is there are no known living male members of the house (not counting the bastard Larence Snow). There is no one to carry the name. That means the house is extinct in the male line. It is however extant in the female line as Lady Berena Tallhart néé Hornwoord still lives. Dade 19:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- My statements were based on the statement that there were no people named Hornwood left alive. With the statement made yesterday by another user that Berena Hornwood is still alive, I'd say that until Berena's death, the house still exists. After she has died, the house is indeed extinct (as no one alive is called "Hornwood"). Larence can only continue the house if he is legitimized, but should Berena die in, for example, chapter 2 of Winds, and Larence is still a bastard, the house, as of that moment, will be extinct.--Rhaenys_Targaryen 20:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I've noticed the previous "masterly" house category was dropped, yet the houses sworn to Glover are now listed as clans purely off the opinion of Asha (who isn't even a northerner).
I wonder if we're going to go with the latter why we should eliminate the former when it is of note that two houses are led by masters instead of lords.  I did check the wiki thread on the forum, which the editor mentioned, and can't find any consensus about wolfswood clans or dropping the masterly houses GRRM so pointedly created, so the current edit strikes me as original research not appropriate for the wiki. Having reviewed the Asha chapter in question, it's literally just her making an observation on the surnames of the trackers and hunters provided. Nothing definite on their culture or bearing. I'll leave up Asha's opinions of them on their respective house pages, but I'm questioning the use of "wolfswood clans" entirely now.