Talk: Kinslaying

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What's the problem about putting Jaime in the list?

--Storm 19:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)Stormlander

He was not related to the Mad King, Aerys II Targaryen, in any of the books. He was known as the Kingslayer not the kinslayer. While there is some theory on the board that he was the king's son, it is not Canon. That is a theory an has to go on a theory page if at all. In none of the books does anyone suspect that he is not Tywin Lannister's son.

--Ser Ash the Red 01:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The list might need some additions.

  • Robert Baratheon famously killed his second cousin Rhaegar Targaryen.
  • Aeron Greyjoy has disappeared. "No one had seen the Damphair since the kingsmoot". Tristifer Botley suspects that Euron Greyjoy has already killed his brother and keeping it secret. "I think the Damphair's dead. I think the Crow's Eye slit his throat for him. Ironmaker's search is just to make us believe the priest escaped. euron is afraid to be seen as a kinslayer".
  • Aeron himself wounded Urrigon Greyjoy while performing the finger dance. The infected wound later killed Urri, though the attending maester was blamed for the death.
  • Axell Florent is considered a kinslayer for his part in the death of Alester Florent. Jon Snow thinks of him in this way. "If he is not a kinslayer, he is the next best thing. Axell Florent's brother has been burned by Melisandre... yet Axell had done little and less to stop it. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his brother being burned alive?"
  • Theon Greyjoy has been also called "Theon Kinslayer" for supposedly killing his adoptive family: Bran Stark and Rickon Stark.
  • Black Walder Frey is suspected of playing a part in the death of Ryman Frey. --Dimadick 13:12, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Original research

This article does not seem to be about who is considered (or accused to be) a kinslayer but about which characters may have killed a relative from the view point of the reader! That is called original research and does not belong on a wiki. For instance Victarion Greyjoy is nowhere called or accused to be a kinslayer. So he does not belong in the article. And I am not sure about Gregor Clegane. There are rumours but as far as I know he is not called a kinslayer. If he is called that add a reference if not he should be rmoved. The same for the Hunter brothers and Erryk and Arryk.Scafloc 15:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I checked the Hunter brothers: they are not called kinslayers so they should not be included.Scafloc 16:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Viserys poisoning Baelor

"Though the evidence on this is dubious and it appears most likely that Viserys was innocent of this charge."

According to who? This sentence just seems out of place, I don't think we have enough information to determine his guilt or innocence. Unless anyone objects in the next week or so I'm going to remove it.

Bastardy and kinslayling

Maybe we should point out in the article that even if having bastards is disgraceful, it would be kinslaying to kill them, regardless of the status. --Exodianecross (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that needs to explicitly be stated. Kinslaying refers to the killing of family members, and that is completely regardless of the status of those involved.--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps. It's still a very curious thing, killing a bastard would be kinslaying even when it's a disgrace to have offspring in that way, but it's allright to mistreat a bastard-child, like Falia Flowers for example! --Exodianecross (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)