User talk:Thomaerys Velaryon
Re Corbray family
I am one of the guys who would like to get complete family trees for all houses in Westeros, so I can totally understand your wish to connect the known family members to each other.
In this case I think it is really likely that Quenton was Leowyn's son. But as you said it is not stated in the text. So even if we add it back, we need to make sure people know where this conclusion comes from.
Now to your points: While I love the MUSH trees (I think we both discussed MUSH things before F&B was published) and would love to see most of them become canon, F&B made it clear that it does not always reflect the true family relations (the Darrys are one example). So I do not doubt that Quenton's name was provided by GRRM himself, but are the relations the same as in canon? Then you say Leowyn and Corwyn are the two sons of an unknown Lord Corbray. We know they are brothers. I think that's it. We don't even know if Leowyn inherited Hearthome from his father or his mother. I think we don't even know that Leowyn and Corwyn were their parents only sons. Maybe Corwyn was just the third son and Quenton the son of a Corbray who died young. Another thing we don't know is that Quenton was Leowyn's immediate successor, there could have been another Lord Corbray in between. So many possibilities.
So do I think that Quenton being Leowyn's son and heir is the most likely scenario? Yes. Would I put it on the wiki as a fact? Not so sure yet. Maybe we can move the discussion to the forum and get more people involved.
- Hey Thomaerys,
- I just noticed you added 'possibly' to Leowyn Corbray' infobox in regard to his fatherhood of Quenton. With the facts stated on top of Quenton's article, do you see any way he could not be Leowyn's son?
- Personaly no. But haven't we gone through this already ? If I remember correctly after discussions with other editors in the forums, the final consensus was that we can't prove he was Leowyn's son and we had to delete the father-son link between Leowyn and Quenton I originally put when I created the family tree template for them. Am I misremembering ? --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- I argued against it when I did not have all facts, but that changed. Quenton was a nephew of Corwyn and he was ahead in line of succession, so he must have been a nephew from an older brother. Now it is stated that Corwyn was a second son and younger brother of Leowyn. With that in mind I can see no way Quenton was not Leowyn's son. The Wondering Wolf (talk) 19:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I see you've added the option "betrothed" to the character infoboxes, but perhaps you could discuss this first in the wiki thread? I definitely see value in mentioning the marriages of a person in the infobox, but for betrothals that did not end into marriages, I personally believe the infoboxes might not be the right place. So perhaps this can first be discussed among the editors on the thread? --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 21:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you created a bastard shield for House Stark with the colors reversed and added it on the Brandon, Sara, and Lonnel Snow pages. The issue here is that reverse-sigils aren't a default thing for bastards. It's simply just something that bastards may choose to do as a workaround. Unless we know that they chose to use that sigil, it's incorrect. --Potsk (talk) 19:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Prince of Winterfell
I don't remember anything in ASoS stating that Karlon Stark was a Prince of Winterfell. Can you give an exact quote? The only mention of him I remember calls him a "a younger son of Winterfell", and the only mentions of "Prince of Winterfell" are by Bran referring to himself as that, and the appendix stating Theon's title. --Potsk (talk) 13:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
- I checked and you are correct Karlon is not mentioned as "Prince of Winterfell", only as "a younger son of Winterfell". I will rectify that. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)