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House Template Navboxes

Hi! The choice to do two templates within one was a discussion held on the forum's official wiki thread, starting here. I believe it was for reasons of default open/closing of the navboxes, although that particular wiki feature seems to be broken since the last wiki upgrade (which is also being discussed on the forum wiki thread). You could bring up the issue on the forum if you can figure a workaround, maybe? --Mindset (talk) 14:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me to the discussion. Although when I tested it, using one navbox with two subgroups worked just fine, with one subgroup open and the other collapsed. Abjiklam (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking great! Thanks for your hard work. :) --Mindset (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I second this! :) But, redirecting the "Start" and "Finish" templates to the main templates causes the pages which did not use the main template (e.g. who did not use {{HousesNorth}}, but used the separate {{HousesNorthStart}} and {{HousesNorthFinish}} instead) to display the new tepmlate you've created twice (for example, House Manderly. This only seems to be the case for the North, currently, as Dorne and the Crownlands used the main template (i.e. {{HousesDorne}}) instead of the "Start" and "Finish" templates.
So, I think that redirecting the "Start" and "Finish" templates is not necessary. If they contain no data and are not used on any page, they can be deleted. For the northern houses that contain the "Start" and "Finish" templates (linked here), I'd suggest we change the {{HousesNorthStart}} and {{HousesNorthFinish}} to {{HousesNorth}} (which now contains all the info necessary), so we can delete these separate "Start" and "Finish" templates, too. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Done! Abjiklam (talk) 20:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

House sigil images

Hello. You've been adding a lot of sigil images over the past few days/weeks! I was wondering something, and I thought I could perhaps ask you. Would it be possible to remove the white background from these sigils? Like this sigil has, for example? This would give a better display in coloured backgrounds, like the infoboxes the sigils are placed in on House pages (though the grey colour in those boxes is rather light), or, for example, on pages like this.--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, it's bothering me too. I didn't put these backgrounds explicitly, but I guess the problem is with whatever software the server is using to display SVG files. Frankly I'm not sure how to fix the problem, but I'm hoping it'll get done eventually because there is no such problem on Wikipedia. Abjiklam (talk) 21:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I did a little bit of digging. This page should probably provide a solution. I think if this wiki uses librsvg it will fix the problem. Abjiklam (talk) 21:30, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I would suggest contacting User:Ran on the Westeros.org forum for this. I suppose the asoiaf wiki-thread would be a good place. If I might ask, what is the reason for chosing the use of .svg files over .png or .jpg files? --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the link. I'll ask what can be done. SVG is a better format for non-photographic images, especially images with clear geometrical shapes. It's completely scalable, which means we use a single file to make an image look as good 10 pixels wide as 1000 pixels wide. For simple images it also needs a lot less memory space. This image explains what it looks like. In general SVG images look much crisper. Abjiklam (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining, and for providing an example :). --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


Hey. Arek here. Love the new sigils you added.

I have the software to remove the white background from the sigils you added. Is it ok if I do so & replace the sigils you added without the white background. I changed the Blood raven one to show I could do it. Is it ok if I do it with the others you added?

Hi Arek. If you don't mind, I'd like first to ask the admins if they can somehow change how .svg's are rendered on the site. If they can't/won't fix it, I don't mind if you upload .png versions of the files :) Abjiklam (talk) 08:27, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Np Abjiklam. Let me know. Won't change any of the other files unless I have the go ahead from you.

Hello. On the tinctures of House_Stark_(Jon_Snow).svg - it was said to be reversed Stark colors, so it should be white direwolf on grey field. Lord Evermore (talk) 02:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Abjiklam (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey Abjiklam. Arek here again. If you want you could email me all the .svg files you have. I could convert them to png and email them back to you so you can upload the sigils without the white background. If you want to do that let me know & ill give you my email address. Regards Arek

Sent you a message. Abjiklam (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure what your priority is for these sigils, but any chance you could get to Caron soon? I noticed that File:32x32 Caron.png is incorrect -- using a round Dornish shield for some reason, even though Caron is a Stormlands house -- and while it would be easy to replace it with a resized version of the existing Caron sigil, I like your svgs. :) --Mindset (talk) 02:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Lord Evermore fixed it, but I expect I'll get to it someday! Abjiklam (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Done. Abjiklam (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The sigil of House Waxley also needs an update. :) A Feast for Crows mentions six candles on the Waxley sigil, not three.--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Done. Abjiklam (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 17:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Great work on the Faceless Men, but I think the colors should be reversed. According to the description, The left door is weirwood, the right ebony. In the center of the doors is a carved moon face ebony on weirwood, weirwood on ebony. Lord Evermore (talk) 15:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Abjiklam (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

The newer svgs no longer have the background, while the older ones still do, if displayed in resolutions prior to the update (such as 50px). It's been days now, and this has not yet changed. I suggest reuploading the svgs, which will update the displayed images sans background (I've tried it once with Jon Stark). If you don't have the time, I could reupload all the older svgs. If we wait longer, more of the png conversions will be uploaded, which somehow defeats the purpose of these svgs. Lord Evermore (talk) 10:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Good idea, I've started doing it. If you'd like the help maybe you can start from the bottom of Category:SVG coat of arms and work your way up. Meanwhile I'll continue going alphabetically and we'll meet somewhere in the middle. Abjiklam (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


Hey! I noticed several sigils missing amongst the svgs. Could those perhaps be added? I couldn't find any svg COA for House Umber, Gargalen, Toland, Wyl, Baelish (the original sigil held by Petyr's father), Wydman, Bulwer, Borrell, Follard, Horpe, Peasebury and Meadows. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Others which are still missing are House Gargalen, Toland, and Wyl from Dorne. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Love your work - the svgs look so nice and crisp. I did notice that the falcon of Arryn is not quite right. It should be soaring. It looks, now, like its coming in to land/grab some poor little creature. Can this be fixed easily? Eagle of Seagard

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