Editing Template talk:Familytree

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==Question ==
I'm trying to introduce family trees on every wiki for noble houses, but I don't see how this template is suposed to work.

On the standard wikipedia there's a method for doing familiy trees that's quite cool. Couldn't we import it here?--[[User:The_hairy_bear|The hairy bear]] ([[User talk:The hairy bear|Send me a raven]]) 11:37, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing the doc for the family tree template explained. Also, in the future, please add the Template category to templates, so we can group them all together. --[[User:Ran|Ran]] 11:57, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::Eh, I can't figure out how it works precisely, I've got to say. ;) I tried pulling in the docs and it's turned into a big mess, IMO. I'll let others more familiar with it handle it, as I've got some learning to do. ;) --[[User:Ran|Ran]] 12:08, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::: I tried to simply copy them but that didn't work. Now they are a bunch of useless pages. Sorry. [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 13:59, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:::: No problem. It's a good idea. If someone else doesn't do it, I'll study it further and see if I can't figure it out. I suspect what's happening is that it's actually built up of a number of templates, and they all need to be in place for it to look right. --[[User:Ran|Ran]] 14:01, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

:::: I _think_ I've got it sorted. Needed to turn on the HTML Tidy functionality, or something. If anyone makes use of it, let me know. --[[User:Westeros|Westeros]] 17:19, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

::::Super Ran/Westeros! It works! I am copying the threes from wikipedia. [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 18:26, 23 April 2007 (CDT)


I dont have much experience with our Familytree template, can any tell me if any of the Familytree templates use the 81-99 fields or successfully used the 41-80 ones? Because from what I see this template is only making use of [[Template:familytree/step2]], which does not support the 81-90 range(Do we need it at all?) and didnt support the 41-80 up until now. --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 17:23, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


It seems that this template dont handle all the parameters that are shown on the documentation page, should I add them or remove them from the documentation page to avoid confusion? --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 17:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

: I have added the additional parameters, since I could think of reason why not to offer the additional functionality to our editors. The additional functionality should not effect the current templates and they should look exactly the same. --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 19:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

==Change==
Can someone change the row 99 to 80 or 85?[[Template:Targaryen tree]] have gotten a little  bug.——[[User:Elevatar|Elevatar]] 02:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

==Improvements?==
I am interested to hear if anyone has any suggestions toward how to improve the family trees? --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 16:50, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

So far I think that our templates weak points are:
# They do not include legends explaining what everything means.
# There is no easy way to edit them, since the 'edit section' doesn't show links to the templates within.
# They are made to fit into a page, either that or someone intentionally was trying to take out my eyes.

I have added an overflow option, which should be noticeable mostly for those with lower resolution or pages with a lot of images. what it should do is add horizontal scroll bar if there is not enough space for the tree. Also I am adding an option to hide the tree(for big trees). Please tell me if there are any issues or any ideas for implementation/Improvement--[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 21:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you could import the template <nowiki>{{chart}}</nowiki> from Wikipedia. It allows one to make more sophisticated family trees and larger ones. --[[User:ASHaber|Ser Ash the Red]] 02:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I have looked into the chart template before but I am not sure that we need it. I think that the "more sophisticated" claim is more relevant to the time it was created few years back, now it only offers 'Dotted lines' and lacks few combinations we have, other than that it is exactly the same template, they just removed few spans and created few sub templates for each symbols to avoid the media wiki node limit. --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 09:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Here are two interesting ideas I found:
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights#Medieval_organization_of_the_order link], note the use of colors and images. Maybe we can use something like this as well to provide additional information.
# [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bernoulli#External_links link]. Note the standard size font and bigger boxes, which I prefer as it seems to improve readability and if there are concerns that big trees may cluttering the page we can hide the section. IMO bigger trees that you can comfortably look at when needed are better than trees that are made to fit the page and are barely readable.



== Legends ==
From what I have observed we use Solid lines to indicate relationships/children recognised by law and Dotted lines for others i.e. Wife/son vs mistress/bastard/rape/etc, right? Also we use the {} brackets to indicate who is dead, which is kind of peculiar to me since as most of the members on our family trees are dead. Is there any additional uses or any exceptions? --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 09:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


How do we deal with missing links?  because at the moment in some cases there is no way of knowing if the person is a child of X or his a descendent?  --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 09:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
: I can add a doted line... like in the chart template to imply there are more links in the middle that are missing? any other solutions? --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 13:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


What if we replacing the {} that symbols that denote a person is Deceased, with a simple 'Deceased' note or the period he lived through(from-to) ? --[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 13:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== Simplifing family trees  ==

Personally, I dont like when we try to fill up family trees according to the female line of descent. It leads to inconsistent over complicated merge of the various family trees. See for example: [[Template:Baratheon_tree]] I dont see why Elia Martell or Dany should be on the Baratheon tree. I suggest that we replace those lines with a COA icons linking to those houses, for example 
Rhaelle Targaryen, would have something like this [[File:32x32 Targaryen.png|link=House Targaryen#Family Tree]].
--[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 07:57, 12 May 2012 (UT

I think you are wrong about the Baratheon tree it easaly shows the basis for Robert's claim to the throne, though Ella is not needed.
--[[User:ASHaber|Ser Ash the Red]] 14:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

You are right, maybe we can keep Aegon, which will clearly show the Baratheon link to the Targs, but drop the rest for example, how is Dany relevant here? Here is [http://i48.tinypic.com/2i70g92.jpg a quick illustration], this way we keep the important info and provide links for additional info for each of the brunching house. 
--[[User:Mordin999|Mor]] 14:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC)