Editing Template talk:Stark tree

==Changes by [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 15:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)==
*Deleted Brandon Stark the brother of [[Rickard Stark]]. -> According to Catelyn, Rickard Stark had no siblings.<ref>[[A Storm of Swords]], [[A Storm of Swords-Chapter 45|Chapter 45]], Catelyn</ref>
*The lady of [[House Flint of the mountains|Clan Flint]] was the mother of [[Eddard Stark|Eddard]]'s mother, not the mother of his father.<ref>[[A Storm of Swords]], [[A Storm of Swords-Chapter 24|Chapter 24]], Bran</ref>

== Artos and Willam ==
Atos and Willam are Starks, were lords of Winterfell and were brothers. There is no single item of original research in that. Please note that is no line linking them to other Starks. That would have been original research as we do not know how they relate to other members of the family. Please discuss on talk pages before deleting. [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 10:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

==[[Willam Stark]] & [[Raymun|Raymun Redbeard]]==
[[Raymun|Raymun Redbeard]] led his invasion of the North during the time of Jon Snow's grandfather's grandfather. [[Willam Stark]] and [[Artos Stark]] were the lords of that period. -- Elevatar 03:50, 5 December 2011 

: Atos and Willam are Starks, were lords of Winterfell and were brothers. There is no single item of original research in that. Note that is no line linking them to other Starks. That would have been original research as we do not know how they relate to other members of the family. Again: please discuss on talk pages before deleting. -- Scafloc 10:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
of couse original research,who tell you they are the same generation with Edwyle's father? -- Elevatar
: There is NO claim that they are of the same generation... no link to any other member of the tree -- Scafloc
: No more edits, folks, until an actual consensus is reached. Elevatar, if you don't have the time to talk it through and support your position, then don't bother editing. --[[User:Ran|Ran]] 16:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::Again (and again) please discuss before editing. See my remark at [[User_talk:Elevatar#Bran the Burner and others]]. A complete Stark tree would be vary large (see [[User:Scafloc/sandbox|a first effort]]. For the current Starks it would take up to much of the page in my opinion. But it would like nice on the article of [[House Stark]]. I would prefer though there we add there references somewhere. It is likely that as more information becomes available (the 4th Dunk and Egg story is supposed to involve the Starks(!)) we would need to check if our tree is still correct. To do that we need the references. If people do not like the references included in the article we copy the tree to talk page and add the references there. Is that an idea? [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 23:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Yours reference is original research,just it.-[[User:Elevatar|Elevatar]] 01:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
::::As already stated above it is not. That Willam and Artos are brothers is in [[A Game of Thrones (game)|A Game of Thrones RPG and Resource Book]]. And that the invasion they stopped was "in the time of my grandfather's grandfather" is a quote from [[Jon Snow]], [[A Clash of Kings-Chapter 23|Chapter 23]] of [[A Clash of Kings]]. No single element of original research there. Stop reverting the edits. [[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 10:08, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
:::OK，that's done.But why did you added the source of "in the time of my grandfather's grandfather" in the reference?No source,no edit.--[[User:Elevatar|Elevatar]] 11:01, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I think you would understand that the grandfather text was a reference. As I cannot read minds I had no way of knowing that you wanted the exact source. It would really have helped if you had stated that. Especially because you were asked this a number of times.[[User:Scafloc|Scafloc]] 22:04, 18 January 2012 (UTC)  
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