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Predecessor and Successor

Hello Potsk,

I've seen you added a predecessor and successor module on the infobox for characters. I'm not opposed to it but I'm not a fan of the "eventually X succeed Y" stuff. I think we should use these modules for direct successions only. Have a good day. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 12:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

It is the most effective use for navigational purposes. --Potsk (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with Thomaerys. It is confusing and "eventual predecessor" does not make any sense in my opinion. There are navigation boxes at the bottom of the page for navigational purposes. It is better to have a discussion about things like that with other editors before changing it on your own. The Wondering Wolf (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Alright then, go ahead and remove them. --Potsk (talk) 06:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Images in infobox

Potsk please see the the post on the use of images from shows In short the primary image should be book accurate show images are to be used only for a show subsection. This is why i removed the Mysaria image --Direpupy(talk)

Dowager queen

I do not agree that the title dowager queen makes the title queen in the infobox superfluous the are not the same title and a dowager has different rights and responsibilities, at least in the real world. Since they are two separate titles the should in my opinion be listed separately. -- Direpupy(talk)

Its a sum up of the titels used and held by the person which should be comprehensive, so omitting a title makes the list pointless. If we follow your reasoning then any prince of dragonstone who became king should also not have prince of dragonstone among there titels, but we list that for every single one of them because its a list of all titels held and used. -- Direpupy(talk)

tv images

To answer your question, the verdict was primary image (the one in the infobox) is to be bookbased only, if there is no bookbased image then no image should be used until there is a bookbased image. Tv image can be used lower down in a page but preverably they are only used in tv show page or a tv show subsection on a book page. The reasoning for this is that GRRM's description should be leading and the tv show is not bookcanon that includes the way the carakters look and also to prevent confusion on how a carakter looks.

Rickon/Rickard Stark

I know the captions for the trailer says "Rickard Stark" but personally I only hear "Rickon Stark" not "Rickard Stark". I think the character will keep its book name in House of the Dragon and there is simply a little mistake in the captions. What do you think ? --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 20:54, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The Dragon Demands actually posted an outline of leaks on the GoT wiki a while back, where he said the scene where Rhaenyra is named Princess of Dragonstone would have characters such as Boremund Baratheon and "Rickard Stark", the latter of whom is the renamed Rickon Stark. Seems too much of a coincidence that the official subtitles would also put "Rickard" as a typo? Could just be his thick accent making it sound like "Rickon." It even took me a while to figure out he was saying "named heir" and not "nameday" Potsk (talk) 06:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I have not seen this leak outline you are talking about, I'll look it up if you can provid me a link. That being said it is not in the habit of the Wiki to edit stuff coming from leaks information. Listening to the trailer again in slow motion, the actor clearly says "Rickon", I'll trust the official trailer over leak information anyday. If new information comes to light in the future we can edit the article again but for now I'm deleting the "Rickard" sentence to avoid confusion. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 15:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Except this is not coming from leaks... it's coming from the official captions. The leak merely supports it. --Potsk (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
History of Westeros checked with the producers, and it is indeed Rickon Stark as per the books, the captions were in error.[1] --Mindset (talk) 21:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Is there anything from an actual producer? I can't change it over on the GoT wiki based on hearsay. Potsk (talk) 23:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Maybe try private messaging HoW to see if they can give you more official details? They're good people.--Mindset (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

As much as i understand your frustration none of the things you provided are definitive proof, all we are asking is that you wait until there is proof that is not based on secondary courses. Also its not a registered trademark its an application, that is not the same thing, productions regularly apply for trademarks they never intend to use. there are also stories of the captions being in error as pointed out to you in the discussion above. so i agree with Thomaerys Velaryon just wait for the show to come out and then make the change to the page if need be, its only three weeks more to wait. Direpupy (talk) 13:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Wiki improvement

Hello Potsk, Why did you rescind my edits? Didn't somebody say that he wants to make this site resemble the Lord of the Rings Wiki or something? My adjustments were doing something like that. And there should be a section on the series involvement, don't you think? --Westeroslorenerd

You copied and pasted text from the Game of Thrones wiki, even being so sloppy as to include the reference numbers. That is lazy plagiarism, not a "wiki improvement." --Potsk (talk) 03:53, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey, I know almost everything (Linking, making words bold) besides making new category pages in here. Let me restore the narration History and Lore pages without your interference. And could you tell me how to make words italic again. I forgot that.

Your recent edits on Robb Stark make me skeptical that you now know "almost everything" to make an article in a publishable state. Do you even preview your edits before you publish them, or review them after? Take a break from editing and learn by reading articles (including reading the source via the editor). Everything you need to know is right here on the wiki if you just take the initiative to absorb it. If you need any specific guides on how to do something, most of the countless guides on Wikipedia that can easily be found via Google apply here as well. Also remember to sign all of your comments on talk pages with "~~~~" --Potsk (talk) 11:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

List of characters

I didn't want to rummage around in your sandbox, so I wanted to tell you that I found, what I think are, some errors with the coas you assigned. Jaehaerys II and Aegon V Targaryen have a Royce coa; Olyvar and Elmar Frey have a Manderly one; and Robert Ashford's personal sigil is missing. Regarding Amory Lorch's personal sigil, there was a bit of a discussion on the wiki thread at the forum and we came to the conclusion that there is no evidence in the books that he has a personal sigil at all. I also think Tyrek Lannister should have the Hayford coa as well, because with Ermesande being the ruling lady of her house, he married into her family. Otherwise, I like the way it looks so far! -Alyx Rivers (talk) 20:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for telling me. But I have no problem with anyone else editing the sandbox. Fix errors or expand to your heart's content. Potsk (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Since you said you use my spreadsheet as a basis for this list, I've taken the liberty to add the characters from The Princess and the Queen. I've started with that one, to be sure to not impact your own work with the main series novels. Feel free to modify what I did if you want. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the spreadsheet, there's a slight problem in that it's not sorted in publishing order (it starts with the 5 main novels in a row) so some characters who first appear in one of the Dunk and Egg novellas are listed as first being mentioned in one of the main ASOIAF novels. I don't have any of the Dunk and Egg novellas on hand so I can't verify exactly where they first appear Potsk (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


Was Vermithor confirmed to appear in the finale episode ? Or did you simply added him as people think it is him with Daemon in the trailer ? The number of 9 dragons appearing this season was all over the pre-season promotional interviews, it is strange if we get 10 in the end. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I misinterpreted what an article said as official confirmation. I'll remove it. Potsk (talk) 07:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
That is fine. By the way, I also think this is Vermithor and we will have 10 dragons this season. I was just wondering if there was an official confirmation out there or not. We will have to wait a few days I guess. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
It is Vermithor in the end. I will put the reference back on his article. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 19:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

COA in your character list

Hi Potsk, I made a new template {{coa}} that works for both PNGs and SVGs. It abstracts away the filename so it will be much easier to maintain in the future. As a bonus, it also links back to the relevant article, e.g. House Lannister.svg {{coa|Lannister}} links to House Lannister and None.svg {{coa|Lannister of Lannisport}} links to House Lannister of Lannisport. Would it be okay if I update your list to use the new template? Abjiklam (talk) 11:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Go ahead Potsk (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Drafts information

Hi Potsk, I just wanted to let you know that per the discussion in the forums regarding non-canon information (see here), adding a "behind the scenes" section or a redirect is fine but creating a new page for a character that was never canon in the first place is not. Cheers. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Flames in the Targaryen COA

You are right. While it is an immediate assumption that the color of the flames matches that of the scales (red for the Targaryen dragon), in the text of The Citadel: Heraldry the color is only specified for the flames of the Blackfyre dragon. I've undone that edit. --Somnium Draconis (talk) 13:39, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


The banners at Coldmoat displaying both there arms means nothing, they have just married and reconciled there differences and would have flown them in celebration. You do not take them down immediately because that defeats the purpose of the display, so they would have flown for a few days maybe as much as a fortnight. Besides to use your own argument of precedent, we have no precedent of co-rulership in the books so by your own argument there would then be no such thing. The truth is we do not know and the wiki should reflect that doubt. Direpupy (talk) 08:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

One instance and its from pre-conquest Targaryens who held markedly different believes and customs, that's not a precedent at all, that is an outlier completely unsuitable for this situation. Besides there are many more instances of ruling lady's who do not share power with there husband, why would Rohanne agree to share power, and please don't give they argument that she had to marry, in a pinch now that they need no longer fear the Longinch she could have just married one of her household knights. I see no reason why Eustace would be co-ruler, nor does the text of the book say this. As long as there is uncertainty as to his position the wiki should reflect this, that's why i placed the uncertain nature of his position in the wiki articles. Direpupy (talk) 16:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Picky backing on the discussion here to highlight an adjacent issue I've uncounter while make the succession boxes for Dornish titles. I've used the parameter "under" for the "Prince(ss) Consort of Dorne" titles by default but that is not quite correct as they do not serve under their spouses and they do not rule alongside them either, they are kind of in between. I was wondering if it would be possible to create a "Consort:" parameter for the S-ttl template similar to the regent one instead. I don't know if such consort parameter should be used for the spouses of ruling lords/ladies (e.g. the 8 Lady Frey) but it certainly be useful for the Queen Consort of Westeros. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Noble Houses rank

Hello Potsk, I'm not digging your recent changes on the infobox for the noble Houses and I'm wondering what is the point of it to be honest. First, the pictures of the different ranks are very similar. If they are not easy to differentiate, it defeats the purpose of having them in the first place, no ? And second, the placement of pictures that big on top of the sigil might not be ideal. Does this idea of distinguishing the noble rank visually comes from somewhere and I am missing something ? I'm just a bit perplexed about the all thing, maybe we should discuss it with other editors either here or on the forums. Good day to you. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It's based on real-life heraldic achievement. Barons/baronets (equivalent to ASOIAF's landed knights) display open-faced helmets, nobility ranked count and up (equivalent to ASOIAF's lords) display barred helmets, while crowns (either on their own directly on top of the escutcheon, or on top of a helmet) generally denotes royalty, but sometimes other ranks as well depending on the type of crown. Showing rank and prestige gets even more extensive than that (mantles, pavilions, supporters, crests, etc.) COAs on The Citadel show helmets and mantles, so I thought of adding mantles too but that would be very complicated to implement without directly changing the COA files. I thought of it as kind of a continuation of the decision to put house mottos on ribbons, which is also part of achievement. Potsk (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)