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House Template Navboxes

Hi! The choice to do two templates within one was a discussion held on the forum's official wiki thread, starting here. I believe it was for reasons of default open/closing of the navboxes, although that particular wiki feature seems to be broken since the last wiki upgrade (which is also being discussed on the forum wiki thread). You could bring up the issue on the forum if you can figure a workaround, maybe? --Mindset (talk) 14:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me to the discussion. Although when I tested it, using one navbox with two subgroups worked just fine, with one subgroup open and the other collapsed. Abjiklam (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking great! Thanks for your hard work. :) --Mindset (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I second this! :) But, redirecting the "Start" and "Finish" templates to the main templates causes the pages which did not use the main template (e.g. who did not use {{HousesNorth}}, but used the separate {{HousesNorthStart}} and {{HousesNorthFinish}} instead) to display the new tepmlate you've created twice (for example, House Manderly. This only seems to be the case for the North, currently, as Dorne and the Crownlands used the main template (i.e. {{HousesDorne}}) instead of the "Start" and "Finish" templates.
So, I think that redirecting the "Start" and "Finish" templates is not necessary. If they contain no data and are not used on any page, they can be deleted. For the northern houses that contain the "Start" and "Finish" templates (linked here), I'd suggest we change the {{HousesNorthStart}} and {{HousesNorthFinish}} to {{HousesNorth}} (which now contains all the info necessary), so we can delete these separate "Start" and "Finish" templates, too. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Done! Abjiklam (talk) 20:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sigil corrections

White background

Hello. You've been adding a lot of sigil images over the past few days/weeks! I was wondering something, and I thought I could perhaps ask you. Would it be possible to remove the white background from these sigils? Like this sigil has, for example? This would give a better display in coloured backgrounds, like the infoboxes the sigils are placed in on House pages (though the grey colour in those boxes is rather light), or, for example, on pages like this.--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, it's bothering me too. I didn't put these backgrounds explicitly, but I guess the problem is with whatever software the server is using to display SVG files. Frankly I'm not sure how to fix the problem, but I'm hoping it'll get done eventually because there is no such problem on Wikipedia. Abjiklam (talk) 21:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I did a little bit of digging. This page should probably provide a solution. I think if this wiki uses librsvg it will fix the problem. Abjiklam (talk) 21:30, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I would suggest contacting User:Ran on the Westeros.org forum for this. I suppose the asoiaf wiki-thread would be a good place. If I might ask, what is the reason for chosing the use of .svg files over .png or .jpg files? --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 21:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the link. I'll ask what can be done. SVG is a better format for non-photographic images, especially images with clear geometrical shapes. It's completely scalable, which means we use a single file to make an image look as good 10 pixels wide as 1000 pixels wide. For simple images it also needs a lot less memory space. This image explains what it looks like. In general SVG images look much crisper. Abjiklam (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining, and for providing an example :). --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


Hey. Arek here. Love the new sigils you added.

I have the software to remove the white background from the sigils you added. Is it ok if I do so & replace the sigils you added without the white background. I changed the Blood raven one to show I could do it. Is it ok if I do it with the others you added?

Hi Arek. If you don't mind, I'd like first to ask the admins if they can somehow change how .svg's are rendered on the site. If they can't/won't fix it, I don't mind if you upload .png versions of the files :) Abjiklam (talk) 08:27, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Np Abjiklam. Let me know. Won't change any of the other files unless I have the go ahead from you.

Hey Abjiklam. Arek here again. If you want you could email me all the .svg files you have. I could convert them to png and email them back to you so you can upload the sigils without the white background. If you want to do that let me know & ill give you my email address. Regards Arek

Sent you a message. Abjiklam (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

The newer svgs no longer have the background, while the older ones still do, if displayed in resolutions prior to the update (such as 50px). It's been days now, and this has not yet changed. I suggest reuploading the svgs, which will update the displayed images sans background (I've tried it once with Jon Stark). If you don't have the time, I could reupload all the older svgs. If we wait longer, more of the png conversions will be uploaded, which somehow defeats the purpose of these svgs. Lord Evermore (talk) 10:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Good idea, I've started doing it. If you'd like the help maybe you can start from the bottom of Category:SVG coat of arms and work your way up. Meanwhile I'll continue going alphabetically and we'll meet somewhere in the middle. Abjiklam (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Jon Snow

Hello. On the tinctures of House_Stark_(Jon_Snow).svg - it was said to be reversed Stark colors, so it should be white direwolf on grey field. Lord Evermore (talk) 02:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Abjiklam (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Faceless Men

Great work on the Faceless Men, but I think the colors should be reversed. According to the description, The left door is weirwood, the right ebony. In the center of the doors is a carved moon face ebony on weirwood, weirwood on ebony. Lord Evermore (talk) 15:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Abjiklam (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

House Arryn

Love your work - the svgs look so nice and crisp. I did notice that the falcon of Arryn is not quite right. It should be soaring. It looks, now, like its coming in to land/grab some poor little creature. Can this be fixed easily? Eagle of Seagard (talk) 00:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Done! Abjiklam (talk) 02:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
I love the soaring falcon, but is there any way to make it smaller so that the wingspread is entirely silhouetted within the moon? It's pretty like you have it, but doesn't quite match GRRM's description. --Mindset (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Done. It's also soaring completely upwards, per the description. Abjiklam (talk) 15:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Rainbow guard shield

Re your recent update to File:Rainbow Guard.svg -- it looks very pretty, but the Rainbow Guards' cloaks are striped like a rainbow, so I shouldn't think their shield would be a color wheel? --Mindset (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually, come to think of it, the Rainbow Guard use their own personal sigils on their shields and only their cloak is rainbow-striped, so perhaps it shouldn't be a shield-shape for the COA, but a banner-shape (like some of the sellsword companies) or a cloak shape? If that's possible? --Mindset (talk) 21:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi thanks for the explanation. My idea was to evoke a seven-pointed stars using the rainbow but you're right. Not sure what would be more appropriate between a shield or a banner. Abjiklam (talk) 14:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

House Massey

Hi, the House Massey SVG looks great -- especially in the small version, which doesn't turn the spirals into pixelated mush -- but traditionally the triple spiral is done with green on top and red and blue below? See the neolithic spirals here, as well as the Citadel heraldry and the depiction on the endpapers of TWOIAF and elsewhere. Thank you so much for your hard work! --Mindset (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Done! Abjiklam (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

House Bracken

Thanks so much for the Arryn and Massey fixes, they look wonderful. I think I'd switch back to using a horse rather than a de-horned unicorn for Bracken, though -- the proportions are weird, and it has cloven hooves and a lion's tail. --Mindset (talk) 16:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh right, I didn't realize the horn isn't the only difference. I'll redo it with a proper horse. Abjiklam (talk) 17:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

House Webber

I love the new House Webber sigil, but it loses a lot of definition at a small size (50px), with the web lines interfering with the legs of the spider (making them look more pink than red), and the spots vanishing entirely except for adding to the pinkness. The large size looks great, though. Is there any way to fix this? --Mindset (talk) 23:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I can try with thicker legs perhaps? Abjiklam (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure, maybe that will work better? --Mindset (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Harrold Hardyng

Just happened to notice your most recent version of Harry's sigil -- if it's the same sigil in those quarters, it would be merged as in your 18 May 2018 variation. If they're separate sigils it would be because GRRM doesn't realize 2 and 4 are on the same side and he means it to be quartered as per Big and Little Walder's personal sigils. But either way one Arryn sigil above the other looks just plain wrong, doesn't it? Thanks! --Mindset (talk) 23:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mindset, I guess you're right. I wanted to follow the description to the letter, but it does look better without the two falcons on the same side. I uploaded a new version. Abjiklam (talk) 18:11, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
I imagine it would be merged on the same side. Does Martin specify against that? --Potsk (talk) 20:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
The Alayne I chapter mentions:

his shield was quartered. The arms of Hardyng and Waynwood were displayed in the first and third quarters, respectively, but in the second and fourth quarters he bore the moon-and-falcon of House Arryn, sky blue and cream.

I'm not sure how to interpret that, but I don't think a single falcon fits the description, since the shield is explicitly quartered. It might be something to bring up on the wiki. Abjiklam (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The description of Harrold's heraldry is quite strange as it deviate from the other quarters personnal sigil we have: the character's House in quarters 1 and 4, his spouse/mother's House in quarter 3, and his mother/grandmother's House in quarter 2. I understand Harrold can do whatever he wants with his sigil (especially if his goal is to highlight his Arryn lineage) but why would George change the established pattern ? It is possible George simply made a mistake and nobody has picked up on it as it is a sample chapter and not a chapter from a published book. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sigil requests

Hi, I'm not sure what your priority is for these sigils, but any chance you could get to Caron soon? I noticed that File:32x32 Caron.png is incorrect -- using a round Dornish shield for some reason, even though Caron is a Stormlands house -- and while it would be easy to replace it with a resized version of the existing Caron sigil, I like your svgs. :) --Mindset (talk) 02:28, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Lord Evermore fixed it, but I expect I'll get to it someday! Abjiklam (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Done. Abjiklam (talk) 13:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The sigil of House Waxley also needs an update. :) A Feast for Crows mentions six candles on the Waxley sigil, not three.--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 16:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Done. Abjiklam (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 17:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey! I noticed several sigils missing amongst the svgs. Could those perhaps be added? I couldn't find any svg COA for House Umber, Gargalen, Toland, Wyl, Baelish (the original sigil held by Petyr's father), Wydman, Bulwer, Borrell, Follard, Horpe, Peasebury and Meadows. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Others which are still missing are House Gargalen, Toland, and Wyl from Dorne. --Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
House Toland is done... albeit somewhat late... Abjiklam (talk) 00:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Horpe is great, but per the Citadel's original depiction of the sigil, the colors are the other way. --Mindset (talk) 04:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if you could make a sigil for Kyle the Cat? According to the TMK graphic novel (note we've used the graphic novels as references before), his sigil is a steel cat on red, facing "left" (the opposite way of most sigils). Here's a screencap if you need one- imgur (note the steel border is not part of the sigil, it's on all the shields in this comic). --Mindset (talk) 02:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Done: File:Kyle the Cat.svg! Thanks for the screencap. Abjiklam (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if it would be possible to create the original House Martell sigil (pre-Nymeria) ? It would not need lot of work just remove the spear from the current Martell sigil. This sigil could therefore be applied for the page of Lord Morgan Martell. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 16:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

The page on House Martell says they used a spear, not a sun, before the arrival of Nymeria, so that's what I used. Let me know if that's incorrect. Abjiklam (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
You are correct I've made a mistake. Thank you. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

the replacement of sigils

Why did you replace that many sigils? most of yours look really good. but the baratheon stag has its crown on the neck, which is a show thing and shouldn't be in here, and the lannister lion is supposed to look proud which your one does not really imo, in both cases the original was better. Euron Lannister (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

The crown on the neck is not specific to the show. In heraldry many animals have been depicted with crowns around the neck, notably unicorns and sometimes lions and deer. As for the lion of Lannister, I simply think this one looks better. In particular, the limbs are more nicely placed. Abjiklam (talk) 13:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Chapters list

Hi. I'm not sure what you've changed in the lists on the Chapters page, but at least on mobile something is wrong. For AGOT, ACOK, and ASOS, I see only columns of numbers, and only text (mostly out of page range) in the last row (link). For AFFC and ADWD I see the beginnings of the text, but it is not entirely visible (link). Could you explain what the advantages of the change are, and tell me whether or not there is a way to fix the current issues?--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rhaenys, I also noticed the lists don't look good on mobile, but for me that was already the case before I changed anything. Could you check if the previous revision looked ok to you?
The only thing I changed to the list is bringing the 0th element into the actual HTML list (<ol>). If you look at previous versions, you might notice the 0th elements were not in the same HTML list as the following elements.
In any case, the issue was that Template:Columns was not designed for responsiveness, but I think I've now added what was missing to make it look good on mobile. Abjiklam (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The linked version looks the same as my screenshots do, although in the past that page displayed just fine for me, so perhaps it is associated with the forum update? In any case, the readability of the lists is good now, so thank you for the fix (and the explanation of the issue!)!
A somewhat related question, since you seem to be very knowledgeable about the coding for templates. Since the forum update the infoboxes have issues with the image sizes. Usually it is only part of the image missing, but I encountered an extreme example today and figured it is time to try and solve the issue. On the Targaryen campaign in Slavers Bay page, the Infobox has such trouble that on mobile I cannot read quite a big part of the text (Link). I suspect the images are the problem here, but making them smaller would make them too small on desktop. Do you know of a way to have the size adjust automatically to the screen size of the mobile device being used?--Rhaenys Targaryen (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Unicorns on coat of arms

Hi,

I saw you changed the model for the unicorn on coat of arms, making them more goat like. I don't know if you simply missed it or are planning on doing it later, but House Wydman also as a unicorn in their sigil that needs to be changed. Have a good day. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 18:20, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thomaerys. Thank you for the tip, I've now updated House Wydman too. Cheers. Abjiklam (talk) 18:34, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Maps

Hello Abjiklam, I've come across your map of the known world and I was wondering if you intented to use it for something or if it was simply a test. You used the borders between the different kingdoms of Westeros as depicted in The World of Ice and Fire rather than arbitrary borders like the other maps usually do which is a big plus. I think the maps on this site could use an update and they would look really good with your design. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 12:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thomaerys, this map was still a test, but I uploaded two new ones:
When using {{Location map}}, you can use the parameter relief=1 to see the coordinate marks. This should help figuring out the right coordinates to place labels. It also helps if you set the width to very large (like width=2000px) in order to zoom in a little. Abjiklam (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

House of the Dragon used your CoAs

Thought you'd like to know the House of the Dragon title sequence has shields in it very clearly based on the svg CoA images you created for the wiki. Potsk (talk) 06:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Nice catch! Thanks for telling me :) Abjiklam (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Game of Thrones Wiki

Hey Abjiklam, we are reforming our heraldry on the Game of Thrones Wiki: most notably, we'll be switching from PNG to SVG format and changing the shield shape to a simple heater design. However none of us are really experienced with vector graphics, so seeing as how great your work on this wiki has been, I'm wondering if you'd like to assist us. Are you interested? Potsk (talk) 02:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Potsk, I don't really want to get too involved in the GOT wiki, but I can help a bit. What are you planning? Abjiklam (talk) 11:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Basically we're planning to switch these shields to SVG images and change them to an escutcheon roughly this shape, in 400x480. You don't have to personally tend to every image, but just some guidance will save us a lot of headache. Firstly I'd like to know whether we'd have to redo everything from scratch to achieve the desired result, or if there is a more streamlined solution. Potsk (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Going from raster (PNG) to verctor (SVG) graphics does require you to redraw everything, but you can find a lot of elements on commons.wikimedia.org and on this wiki. On commons, you can search for "Category:<X> in heraldry", like Category:Bears in heraldry. Inkscape is a good free software for vector graphics that I've used a lot. Abjiklam (talk) 14:23, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Character infobox changes

I saw the changes you made to the character infoboxes and that seems like a much better way to handle it than before. I was wondering about the coat of arms though. If I understand your changes correctly, the character name should now go in 'name', if there's only one coa, that should go into 'arms' and if there's a second one, that goes into 'arms2'. There are, however, a fair few characters who have three or more sigils. What do you recommend we do with them? -Alyx Rivers (talk) 13:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I wrote Module:Infobox character a while ago to deal with all this, but it breaks backwards compatibility. It was too daunting a task to actually deploy. You can find some examples here, but you'll need to add the content of User:Abjiklam/infobox.css to your user styles for it to display properly. For now, I would just leave the ones with 3+ COAs as is until we can think of a solution. Abjiklam (talk) 14:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention again that the changes you made for filling in characters' names are delighting me! :D Thanks again. -Alyx Rivers (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The changes you made have an impact on the alignement of the COA with the character's name in the infobox. For some characters, they do not align anymore (see Garland VI Gardener). --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 13:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

That's because they haven't been converted yet. Look at Garland VI Gardener now that I've added the "arms" parameter Potsk (talk) 14:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Alright I see. I will update the pages concerned by this problem if I find them in the future. By the way, I'm currently finishing the character list from TWOIAF. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 14:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Module for character names

I used the changed system for several characters now, and I've thoughts of some cases that aren't covered yet. The combination of 'title' and 'nickname' does not work. There's only King Cutthroat and Queen Whore who'd need it though, as far as I can recall right now. Also, I think, YiTish names are in reverse order, like Chinese names. At least that's what I gather from all those emperors whose names start the same. In a possible future sorting that would probably cause them to end up under the wrong name then. No idea how to deal with that though..

And lastly, would it be possible not to use 'fullname', but 'name' in the Infobox character template? In the Infobox monarch template fullname is used for the full regnal name, like 'Brandon Stark, Ninth of His Name', and name is the simple character name. It would be nice to have consistency there. -Alyx Rivers (talk) 20:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I've changed the following:
  • The combination title and nickname now works as expected. I've already updated King Cutthroat and Queen Whore
  • YiTish names can be properly formatted by using the parameter lastfirst=yes which puts the last name before the first name. See Lo Bu.
  • The parameter fullname has been renamed to name
  • {{Infobox monarch}} now uses the full functionality of the name module.
  • About monarchs, there's now the parameter regnalnumber to complete the names of monarchs. It takes regular numbers as input, e.g. regnalnumber=4 → IV. See Aerys II Targaryen.
Let me know if something doesn't work as expected! Abjiklam (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Character infobox

I think the infobox shouldn't cause articles to depict the category "Pages with the coat-of-arms parameter"--Gonzalo (talk) 16:51, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree, I turned the page into a hidden category. Abjiklam (talk) 16:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

CoAs failing to display at small sizes

Here's all the ones I've found so far:

Potsk (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll see what I can do about it. Abjiklam (talk) 11:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
I finished dealing with the files you mentioned. Let me know if there are others I should take care of. I think one of the problems is when the files are too big, so I made sure to keep the file size a small as possible. Abjiklam (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Template: Iron Throne tree

Nice work on your tree there. Just a few small observations.
1) Haegon I is a brother of Daemon II not his son. So, I would move up one generation Haegon I, Daemon III and Maelys I. That way Maelys I is in the same generation as Jaehaerys II who was on the Iron Throne during the War of the Ninepenny Kings.
2) I don't think Hugh Hammer, Gaemon Palehair and Trystane Truefyre should be added as claimants for the Iron Throne but Stannis and Renly Baratheon should.
3) Since you've put the sobriquets for the kings, you should add "the Young Dragon" to Daeron I. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 20:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I've update the tree. Thank you! Abjiklam (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

New SVG symbols

Hi Abjiklam, do you intent on replacing the Essosi coins that are currently used as "coat of arms" for the Essosi characters by your new SVG symbols ? Have you already settled on which symbols to use for the remainder cities/cultures outside of Westeros ? Some suggestions I have:

  • The Black goat for Qohor
  • A Valyrian looking naked woman for Lys maybe next/on top of a bed to differentiate it from the Piper sigil (by the way since it is not specified in the text, would it not be more appropriate to have a redhead woman for the Pipers rather than a blonde ?)
  • A Myrish eye or other glass related item for Myr
  • A purple snail for Tyrosh
  • Square towers for Pentos
  • The harpy of Ghis atop a red/yellow/multi-color pyramid for Astapor/Yunkai/Meereen
  • A colored feather cloak for the Summer Islands
  • A butterfly for Naath. For the colors, maybe gold and black to fit with the golden eyes and dark skin of the Naathi.
  • A river with a turtle for the Rhoynar
  • A horse with tall grass for the Dothraki
  • A sheep for the Lhazareen
  • Etc.

--Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 22:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Thomaerys, yes I'd like to replace the Essossi coins for images that better match the other coas, but it might take me a while :). Thanks for your suggestions, I already had some ideas for some of them, but I hadn't yet found something for all the free cities and other locations! I think they all make sense. I'm not sure about the hair color for Piper/Lys. I guess we can give the Lys dancer silver hair instead of gold? Why is redhead more appropriate for Piper? Abjiklam (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
The coins were a good place holder but not the best visuals to easily identified each Free Cities. Your symbols are a better solution I think. Because Pipers are red of hair. We do not know anything about the Piper's origin, we do not even know if this maiden was one of their ancestors or not. If she was, she most likely was a redhead too though. Lys is well know for their bedslaves and spymasters (Varys, Lysono Maar, all the intrigue and backstabbing during the Lysene Spring). It's a difficult thing to represent without looking like a copy of the Piper's COA that's why I raise the hair color idea. Ultimately, it's not important it is not like we don't already have canon COA who are similar to one another. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 14:12, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
I went with pink hair for House Piper, since the description only mentions a "pink maiden". Abjiklam (talk) 21:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I saw you create symbols for the archmaesters as well as the Grand Maester. Since you recently edited the page for the High Septons, I was wondering if you would create a new symbol for them too ? The symbol for them is obvious to me: a cristal crown. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Yes good suggestion. I already set it up so that, when there is a future image just for High Septons, it will be easy to update it immediately. Abjiklam (talk) 21:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


Module:Infobox_character/name for characters with 3 COAs

I was looking at the articles that have been edited to use the new style (thanks so much for doing that, by the way), and thought that while the ones with 4 or more COAs looked great with the small images (such as Rohanne Webber), the ones that only use 3 (such as Aemon) looked rather empty. Did a bit of fiddling in the sandbox to try it out (slowly- I'm new to Lua, sigh), and I don't think it looks too wrong with the name being pushed down below the normal infobox-sized COAs, but felt I ought to ask you before I pushed it live. (Alternatively, a different sort of formatting could be done for all, say the title and name first and the coat of arms below, before the character photo, but that might be a too dramatic change for this wiki...) --Mindset (talk) 10:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

It looks a little bulky to me, but you're right that the current state does look too empty. Maybe we can add another intermediate size option to Module:Coa/core? In any case, you're welcome to make the change. We can fine-tune later if needed. Abjiklam (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Template: Noble House

Hi, I don’t know what was your goal with your recent edit on this template but are you aware there is no infobox for the noble Houses anymore ? —Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 08:30, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me! This was a test that shouldn't have been saved. Abjiklam (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Graftons and Burleys' COA are incorrect

Hi. The triangles in the coats of arms of House Grafton House Grafton.svg and House Burley House Burley.svg should be fixed, since they are not proper piles. According to heraldry regulation, the corners of a pile should not overlap with the corners of the shield. A proper pile is House Mollen's House Mollen.svg, for example. Could you fix the mistake? I thank you in advance. --Somnium Draconis (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing the mistake. I corrected them, but it might take a few days before the cache clears up. Abjiklam (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
What about an inverted pile, as in File:House Lefford.svg? It isn't technically touching any corners other than the pointy end but maybe it should be the same thickness as the other piles for consistency. Potsk (talk) 20:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
I just updated Lefford and Whitehill. Abjiklam (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Jumping on the conversation here. Judging by the definition of a heraldric pile given by Somnium Draconis and the other examples of I've seen with a quick Google search, shouldn't the pile be longer and thus closer to the base of the shield while not touching it ? I know the terms "nearly reaching" and "almost reaching" are somewhat vague but I would personally opt for longer piles. I have no idea how it works for the inverted pile (I'm guessing the same principe applies) which would make Ran's sigil inaccurate as well as some other Houses's. --Thomaerys Velaryon (talk) 21:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I saw multiple examples with longer piles. For now I just used one that matched the correct example cited by Somnium Draconis. Of course that can change if needed. One reason not to bring the pile closer to the edge, at least for the inverted pile, is that House Whitehill needs some space between the tip of the pile and the edge. Abjiklam (talk) 21:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Rust in Dustins and Melcolms' COA

Hi. In my opinion the color of the anchor and the longaxes in the coat of arms of House Melcolm and House Dustin, which are described as rusted, should be more red-brown, like in the pictures of The Citadel: Heraldry (Melcolm and Dustin). In particular, it should be removed the grey in Dustins' longaxes, since it's a color never mentioned in the pertaining description, and replaced just with the color of the rust). --Somnium Draconis (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I interpreted rusted to mean the state of the longaxes, not exactly their color. I tried to change the grey to another color but honestly it didn't look very nice. Let me know if you have a suggestion. You can also open the image in a text editor and change all instances of the color #808080 to another one of your liking. Abjiklam (talk) 12:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

House Farring

Hi. The COA of House Farring should be changed. The current COA depicts two knights on a horse, but according to the Citadel the knights are on foot. Moreover, the Farring knights are simply blazoned as knights combatant, without any reference to horses, while an example of a knight blazoned with a horse is the black knight on a black rearing horse of House Risley. Thank in advance. --Somnium Draconis (talk) 23:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Until a new SVG version gets uploaded, I replaced the image with the existing File:House Farring.PNG instead. Abjiklam (talk) 17:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Tommard Heddle and the Gallows Knight

Hi again. The personal arms of Tommard Heddle and the Gallows Knight should be edited. According to The Mystery Knight graphic novel, TH's shield is a green winged demon, on a wood brown field, while the GK's shield is a grey man hanged on a grey tree (not a pole, a literal tree), on a wood brown field. Thanks in advance. --Somnium Draconis (talk) 18:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I've uploaded new versions for both COAs. Abjiklam (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)