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Test of template from the Turkish wiki

  • The Turkish version of the War template is copied to User:Scafloc/sandbox
  • The War template uses the infobox template the Turkish version of that is copied to Sandbox

To do

  • add links analyses of all episodes
  • again suggest spoiler prevention (with hide / show)
  • Aegon VI
  • add appropriate copyright info to the Narwen / Mor maps
  • replace gelo e fogo with game of thrones br
  • add italian and serbian wikis
  • get acces to Turkish wiki
  • list with contacts of all wikis
  • create template for age calculation. In the George R. R. Martin page the code is include as follows:

{{#ifexpr:( {{#time:z}} < {{#time:z |20-09-1948 }} )| {{#expr:{{#time:o}} - 1948 -1}} |{{#expr:{{#time:o}} - 1948 }}}} . This results in: 75 In the template the birthdate should be a parameter which is then used in two places.

Checklist feature articles

  • Neutral
  • references included
  • factual correct
  • Complete -> all major events covered
  • Article sections complete (appearence, family)
  • Images; major one as described in the books. quality of images, link to category: images of ..., link to copyright holders of image
  • Actor in HBO
  • Differences with series (focus on what is different, not what is not included)
  • Interlinks

Test with collabsible tables.

Version 1: using the class "mw-collapsible" to an element.

This text is not collapsible; but the next is collapsible and hidden by default:

Enige tekst die pas zichtbaar zou moeten worden als op Collapse wordt gedrukt
Conclusion: does not work. Likely needs extra software to be installed.

Version 2: similar to 1 but the wikitable is used:

The header remains visible
This content is hidden
at first load time
Does not work.

Version 3: using wikitable class

Simple collapsible table
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
Works, though would be better if the table lines would be hidden.

Version 4: using the template hidden

The idea was to use w:Template:Hidden. The code from that template was copied to the Sandbox but it does not work. Likely some declararions have to be copied to the css and js pages. Possible also extra extension have to be added for it to work.

Version 5: see if it is possible to call the template from wikipedia

{{w:hidden|Title text here|Body text line 1<br/>Body text line 2}}

Copies the complete page from wikipedia including the documentation. So it does not call the specific template on the wikipedia page but uses the complete pages as a template (=copy) and pasts it here. As the copied text was rather larger and too prominent for a test I have added "nowiki" tags to make the wiki ignore it.

Version 6: modification from 3 with specification that the table border must be invisible

table borders still visible

Version 7: again using the div tag (from [1]

Collapsible div

En en ander aan tekst

Does not work

Version 7: another modification from 3

Different templates

Rather unfortunate the error cannot be regenerated.


This is a generic sent to all users: Before adding new articles today, please review all articles you have contributed to (and any other articles you care to check, but your own articles first and foremost) and verify that they are either: a) wholly original or b) copied from RTENOTITLE. If (b) applies, please verify that RTENOTITLE is fulfilled by making sure that somewhere on the document is a notice of this kind:

This article derives from the Wikipedia article "[[w:<Article name>|<Article Name>]]". --Ran 02:32, 26 April 2007 (CDT)


Thank you for adding me to ASOIF Wiki. Your email said I could contact you if I needed any help, so here I am. I added six quotes to the featured quotes section - but do not know how to link the names after the quotes to the character pages. Also, I have more quotes to add, but can not figure out how to add new quote pages. I followed the guide, both ways they discussed, but ended up deleting the whole page. I restored it, but am not sure how. to avoid doing so in the future, I am waiting for some help. Could you either add new blank quote pages, so I could add more quotes (have about 15 more) or could you help by making the description of how to add a new quote page more friendly for users who have no wiki-editing experience? I really appreciate any attention you can give to these issues. Please let me know how I can help in anyway. Thanks, Kyle Kylevincent 16:06, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Houses without info

Hi Scafloc!

You're right that we should think about what to do with the minor houses/the hiosues whe know little of. For Jasts or Hetherspoon's we'd even could include info for the minor characters of their house, but for others all we have is a name, and an uncannon heraldry from

I'd say the best thing would be your second suggestion. Create pages such as "Houses from the Stormlands, and include there all the minor houses with the few bits of info we may have. Not much sure how those pages should be structured exactly. --The hairy bear (Send me a raven) 05:31, 28 June 2007 (CDT)


Is it completly dead and abandoned? You seem to be the last one to regularly contribute, that's why I'm asking here. Stalker 04:20, 21 February 2009 (CST)

Husband as a parameter in Template:Character

Ok thanks for the info!


Thanks, I only noticed after I had saved the page that I had not checked that I had the full name in the link. I was wondering how I was going to solve the Rhaena/Rhaena Targaryen problem.

The Pale Griffin

Sorry about the banners, help needed

I got the images from the RPG book that I purchased some days ago.

I'm not sure what are the copyrights for those pictures and to be honest, I didn't even know they had them for such images.

Anyway, I don't really know how to add the copyrights or anything or how to check them, could you help me out on this? I would gladly do it, but I lack the knowledge (and skills).

By the way, I was going to add a detailed map of Westeros, also gotten from the RPG book, but now I'm not sure if I can and I don't really even know how to since I am a wiki-newbie.



Really like your new coat of arms ! Evrach 09:38, 30 August 2010 (CDT)

Category:Houses without COA

Sorry, I didnt understand the query thing. what I did is change the Image field for the Template:Noble_House to:

{{#if:{{{image|}}}|{{{image}}}|[[Image:No_image.jpg|200px]][[Category:Houses without COA]]}}

It checks if image was assigned, if so it shows it otherwise it auto adds it to the Category:Houses without COA. Mor 08:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I think I get it now. Do you want to add to that list only houses that has no Image AND have coat of arms description? if so it's an easy fix. Mor 08:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Updating COA

I tried to update the Kingsguard COA, with a simple gradient to make it less blend, but for some reason it doesnt work. the file was uploaded successfully it's the correct size but it doesnt show as it [should], I thought that it might be some kind of cache thing, so I waited but it still show nothing, any idea why not? Mor 17:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

well I recently uploaded another file but I still have the same issue, clearing cache diffident browsers and few other tricks didnt solve it... so if you happened to have a chance to update an image, specifically by selecting it and then clicking upload a new version of it, please drop me a message. I want to make sure it's not some kind of server side upload issue before I schedule a format of my laptop, thanks --Mor 00:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


Hey Scafloc! Thanks for the message. I see that you seem to be one of the main guys here. I've just finished compiling all of the Martin sources concerning Languages I could (in one read through) from the books on another wiki, at Perhaps you could look through it, or we could replicate the pages I made here? Particularly Other Languages and Corpus...

RE: Selyse Florent

You're totally right... obviously I was not well enough caffeinated when I changed that. Thanks for catching it! -Managerpants 12:25, 23 May 2011 (CDT)


Replied at User talk:Anguy the Archer#Templates. Anguy the Archer 15:26, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

New Main Page

Great new main page! It's a nice approach. Two suggestions: it may just be me, but the top section seems to have much too large a font, with the main category links spilling off to the right of the page. Also, some more reference to the TV series by name would be good, just to help search engines find us, as we provide relevant content. Unless the idea is to go this way as we set up a specific portal for the show, of course. Thanks for your hard work! --Ran 12:46, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

Okay, I think I fixed the size issue, and also worked in a more explicit reference to the show on the project section. But just an attempt at it, please feel free to adjust it further in whatever way you think best! --Ran12:57, 2 July 2011 (CDT)


Thanks Scafloc. I just dread when that guy gets access. I can only imagine his "better than you" attitude and if we don't like what he has to offer, we "don't get it". The Pale Griffin 18:49, 16 August 2011 (CDT)


Just dropped by to say thank for the welcome. Btw, I didnt know it's possible to link to templates from wikipida(like you did with the userbars) and that Feature quote is awesome, if there is no template for it yet, there will be ;) Mor 06:23, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi Scafloc (Arek here) Apologies for images. I know you cannot add images unless the artist has given consent. Im not sure how to send message back to you so hope this reaches you. Im a big fan of the series and enjoy contributing to the Wiki. The House Targaryen & BLackfyre Sigils were based on TV series but were modified by me Photoshop. Ive uploaded some personal artwork I drew on two characters (Mors Umber & Moqorro). Is it ok to do that with characters that have no artwork done?

Im planning on drawing/designing Arnolf Karstark & Ser Robert Strong later on when I have the free time. Anyway if you let me know Id appreciate it. Once again Apologies for Targaryen symbol (I do not want to get into an editing war :-) )


I like your idea of working with custom css, here is few thought I had going over it:

  • Topbar transparency, If still want it, I think you should check mw-page-base and mw-head-base on top of mw-head.
  • Backround Image, I like the idea of the map. I think that it will look better if we make it little smaller, blurred and place it bellow the navigation links (or change nav links color, because it's kind of hard to read it blue on blue).
  • Hiding the logo, I dont like the logo as well, but I like the Idea of a logo or nice background image for the topbar. we have so many amazing artist around maybe we can ask if someone can make something?
  • Fonts, I love hand written fonts but I think they fit better on art pieces or at best you should limit it to h1 h2 h3 titles because the rest look funny in the articles.

Also, how do you feel about changing the over all white background and font color to something darker, lets say: background:#F9F7F1; color:#414141;
and maybe hiding the caption on the main page as well h1.firstHeading { display:none; }
Mor 18:29, 22 August 2011 (CDT)


for the welcome! Jdray 18:32, 5 September 2011 (CDT)


Damn, those spoilers sections looks bad, not the way I thought they would :/

  • What if we add a width 100% to avoid the dance of the spoilers? something like that:

A Game of Thrones

  • maybe we can combine the header with the warning, something like that:
  • And try for a more minimalistic approach:
  • it's probably will not work well with other elements and still doesnt look that well, but this the best I can think of right now, here is a quick template that will utilize the above:
{| class="collapsible collapsed wikitable" style="width:100%; border:0px; background:none;"
! style="border:0px; solid;background:none;"|<div style="float:left">
</div> <div style="float:right">Spoiler warning  </div>
| style="border:0px;background:none;"|{{{2|}}}
  • which would be used like that:
{{Spoiler|====A Game of Thrones====|
After the death of [[Jon Arryn]], King Robert travels north to visit Ned Stark at Winterfell and persuade him to become Jon's successor as Hand of the King. The king is accompanied by almost the whole court, among them Jaime and Cersei.<ref>[[A Game of Thrones]], [[A Game of Thrones-Chapter 4|Chapter 4]], Eddard</ref>

While at Winterfell, Jaime and Cersei are caught having sex by [[Bran Stark]]. Bran is shocked and almost falls from the tower. Jaime pulls him up and then throws him out of the window, intending to kill him to keep the affair a secret. Bran survives but falls into a coma.<ref>[[A Game of Thrones]], [[A Game of Thrones-Chapter 8|Chapter 8]], Bran</ref>

Replay - Maybe we should start by creating a new template , so we can discuss it there(so I dont have to spam your talk page with the above crap ;) ) and see how it goes. Mor 10:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I Have removed the spoiler tags from the Jaime Lannister entry, until we finalize it I dont think we should be experimenting on our featured article. Mor 05:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome! Monkeytypist 22:55, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Page/chapter table

Your Page/chapter table at the sandbox looks pretty decent to me, any ideas where and how we can include it in the wiki?

--Mor 00:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Scafloc. On that note, you will notice that I have included some information there, including Kindle positions. It seems to me that for that table purposes "paperbacks" are in fact mass market paperbacks, since so far all the regular-sized paperbacks that I have found follow the same numbering as the hardcovers. Do you know if that is correct? Also, I have a wish to include some specific information for the two halves of ASOS that exist in the UK paperbacks. I would probably have included some if I had any. You're more experienced and better at this than me, so I want your counsel, if it pleases you. I'm of half a mind to put the specific ISBN information and the like in the articles of the books themselves. I probably will when I feel like it. LuisDantas 16:08, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


thanks for the welcome and all other stuff and for help in creating greyjoys rebellion page (actually you created it i only gave an idea). sorry 4 my horrible english

yours faithiful

--Stormlander 14:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)stormlander

Welcome Template

Nice spot on the Welcome template, iirc I was trying to place a default action in-case someone forget to place the variable. unfortunately I found no magic word to do it and for some reason(that at the moment escapes me) used the code:Mor which had no reason to do anything other than that :/ anyway if you stumble on way to use the Mor in template to auto sign, it would be great, cheers --Mor 23:52, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


Thanks! Looking forward to it. I'm in awe of the GRRM's accomplishment. Definitely need a wiki to ven understand what's going on. Ronnotel 02:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi again Scafolc, i was thinking maybe we should make pages about A Game of Thrones Genesis and meanwhile when RPG comes out do the same with it. Think about it :)

Yours fathifull, --Stormlander 18:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Stormlander

P.S. Dont have any of these games but i hope (acttualy im sure) that we could find out a lot about them. P.S. on P.S. Sorry 4 little absence going back soon :)

We have pages on these games: to see what games and related products see Category:Products

Ser Ash the Red 19:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Chapter summaries

Regarding your recent addition to the Chapter summaries, to the external links sections. Since we are using those Chapter summaries for reference in our articles and in turn use them to link back to various entries, it is my preference that we use as little Eternal links as possible and improve our own Chapter summaries instead, but obviously they still need a lot of work and you and other may want those additional reference and considering that there are so many summaries out there and everyone may want to add his own, lets try to keep them under 2-3 ? --Mor 16:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


I just noticed your map for the Battle of the Shield Islands. I think that your animated gif solution is great for what otherwise maybe a very confusing map. I am not familiar with animated gif's, so I just wanted to know if there are any limits or problems that you encountered with it? --Mor 11:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I looked on the web if there was a gifmaker and found one: You upload the different pictures and the gifmaker-software creates 1 gif file from it which you can download. As for limitations: I noticed that the wiki software is not able to handle large gifs. If you try the software seems to treat it as a regular file; you cannot see any animation. Scafloc 15:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

[EXTRACT]3rd Test text added 3rd Test text added


There were few errors/spelling mistakes in the list you used (on the left is the list value, on the right our):

  • Jeffery Norcross -> Jeffory Norcross
  • Obera Sand -> Obara Sand
  • Mern IX Gardener -> Mern Gardener
  • Loren I Lannister -> Loren Lannister
  • Smalljon Umber -> Jon Umber (Smalljon)

Some entries blanked the pages, I fixed them and added the correct link manualy in all but the last one.

  • Loras Tyrell
  • Joffrey Baratheon
  • Roland Crakehall (Lord).

Also, I think we would benift from doing those changes with a bot or at least with user with Bot privilege, which would hide that recent changes "spam" under the hood(unless "Show bots" is checked). I had to manually edit the url to be able to see the edit done be editors prior to this change. --Mor 14:31, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I belive your script screws up articles containing the <br> tag, removing ever reference of it. --Mor 21:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

RE: Images

Hallo Safloc,

Ik weet eigelijk niet hoe ik de copyright status van de beelden moet veranderen bij het uploaden kon ik die optie ook niet terugvinden. Of voeg ik een copyright icoon toe tijdens het editen van een wiki-pagina.

Wat betrefd de hoeveelheid foto's. Ik heb een heleboel personages gemaakt en wil die graag allemaal toeveogen als dat mogelijk is. Kan ik bij het wijzigen van een pagina aanduiden dat het een grote wijziging is zodat een moderator kan beslissen of er teveel images zijn of dat de images te groot worden afgebeeld en welke afbeeldingen er eventueel worden verwijderd. Ik wil zelf liever geen andere afbeeldingen verwijderen om plaats te maken voor mijn eigen afbeeldingen.



Any thoughts on the new infobox Template:Settlement to provide a quick overview information for Settlement(like the rest of our articles), something I missed or should have done diffidently? I added it to the King's Landing entry for a test drive. --Mor 02:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I have included your suggestions, added a few small additions from wikipidea and renamed it to Template:Infobox Settlement to be inline with the other Infobox templates. I think it looks good, so unless there will be more suggestions(people here seem shy sometimes), I'll start adding it to the various pages. --Mor 06:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Location map

I was wondering why you added the table warper for the Location map template? i.e.


Also I intend to work on the template to simplify its use, any suggestions? --Mor 04:43, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Please, see this


Ser Arys

I uploaded a new picture but for some reason it still does not work. Any suggestions? The Hedge Knight 23:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No error message, it is just no picture shows up. Maybe you should upload it instead? The Hedge Knight 17:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Right I just uploaded it to imgur myself. klgVR.jpg The Hedge Knight 18:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
As I said, I got no idea what the license is; I just know the artist already has several works here. The Hedge Knight 19:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Had to do some serious detective work but here you go. The Hedge Knight 19:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:House Fowler

Hello, Scafloc!

I noticed that Category:House Fowler is misspelled as Category:House Folwer. Is that something you can correct? Nittanian 14:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Nittanian 15:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Here are two more that I noticed:

Thanks again! Nittanian 20:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

new message

Hi there! You have a new message at Ser Rogal Dayne's talk page.  Ser Rogal Dayne  talk   07:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


Thank very much for you for your greetings. Hope I may be of some humble and little help despite all my clumsiness with the wiki code and formatting stuff. Ao Li 15:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hizdahr zo Loraq coat of arms

Hi there! I have a question abour the COA of Hizdahr zo Loraq in his infobox. Why the AWOIAF put the coat of Meereen? Is it a generalization of his belonging to the city or is it because he's believed to be the Arpy?? In the Hielo y Fuego Wiki we have been discusing that and doesn't reach any answer that satisfies everyone. Thanks for your answer! --Rhaena Targaryen 20:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hizdahr zo Loraq

I added the Meereeneese Coat of Arms just 'cause he's the King of Meereen. There's no mention of a House of Loraq symbol right?--Gonzalo 19:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Stormcrows banner

There's a mistake with the stormcrows banner. Its supposed to show crossed lightning bolts but instead the image has arrows.--Gonzalo 19:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Qyburn Image

It is my own work, so permission of the original artist I suppose.

Sources for wiki work

I knew of those sources Scafloc and appreciate it regardless, however, they're mostly main content related and I wanted to know if there was anything beyond "main" that needs doing? Also I have a proposal for a template (really useful here), who can I speak to about it? Thanks. Winterz 22:26, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Gyles Greycloak

The title of this page is 'Gyles'. It really should be 'Gyles Greycloak'. There are a number of different Gyles and it makes it hard to find the right one.

When we started the wiki we decided for articles about character we would use their "regular" name. No titles or aliasses. I think this is same policy wikipedia follows: using regular names is more neutral then using nicknames or titles. Of course we did not start with a lot of articles so at that time we did not have much problems with characters having the same name.
So based on the policy the article Gyles is correctly named as "Greycloak" is a nickname and not his regular name. All the other characters having the given name Gyles have a family name so at the moment we can make the distinction. See for instance Gyles Grafton, Gyles Rosby, Gyles Farwynd and Gyles III Gardener.
If you think we need to help people looking one of those (and not Gyles Greycloak) a bit more, an idea is to create a disambiguation page (see for example Aegon Targaryen (disambiguation). We could the Gyles page to this disambiguation in the same way as was done with Aegon Targaryen (first line of the article). Let me hear what you think. Regards,Scafloc 18:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank You

...for the welcome! Summermoon2 18:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you 2

... for the welcome too! And I have a question: I've noticed with most of the articles that in the introductory sentence, people are always referred to as "... is the Prince of ..". Some of them, obviously, didn't stay alive in the books - I suspect this is intentional, though I would like to know why? (if this has been addressed already somewhere else, I must have been blind or didn't look close enough). Is it considered too much a spoiler if already in the introduction you know that character is deceased? To me it seems particularly disturbing when, like in Oberyn's article, he "is the Red Viper", he "has a lined face.." etc. when the rest of the article is, rightly, written in the past tense. Many thanks for clarifying! --Montespan 09:26, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


i ask the artist before add of course --Marco 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

i asked in deviantArt like this

  • CarrieBest

to ~Marco1907 Hi! Thanks for asking and yes feel free to use it. I'm honored. :)

Marco1907 said the following:

hi i liked your shaggydog art for asoiaf can we use for wiki ?


hi from ~TazioBettin to ~Marco1907 It seems like you already have but sure, no problem.

Marco1907 said the following:

i like your tywin art can we use in wiki ?…

--Marco 22:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

okay, i will look on this --Marco 11:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

by the way which part am i adding this texts ? to the image caption ? also Copyright tags|type=??? which choice are exist ?--Marco 13:45, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for welcome. --Joramun 20:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Robb Stark

Will you remove the block on his page now? The edit conflict is long over. --Lord Thornhart 00:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks --Lord Thornhart 17:56, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello again, I was hoping you could help me with something else. Can you remove the "File-" from the picture File:File-Stannis Baratheon with Lightbrighter at Blackwater by WillHarrisArt.jpg? I couldn't find a way I could do it. --Lord Thornhart 20:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Iron Islands map

Hello, Scafloc! Would you be able to update File:Iron Islands.png? According to A Feast for Crows-Map of the Iron Islands and The Lands of Ice and Fire, Old Wyk is between Great Wyk and Orkmont. Nittanian 14:57, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Robb the kinslayer

Hi Scafloc. You want to weigh in? Talk:Robb_Stark#Kinslayer --8dave 15:06, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Velaryon heraldry

The Velaryon heraldry is described as on a sea green background, but the current image looks more like teal. Is there a way to correct this? (I have no artistic skill).--The Dragon Demands 04:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)